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PATRICK PARIS -- PUNK
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PATRICK PARIS -- SCUMBAG
PATRICK PARIS -- FAILED HUMAN BEING




In article <435ba5ef$0$11080$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:

It is better to not filter and lose all remailers than it is to have all
remailers filter (and be flooded if they don't)

It is bad enough that we have Eelbash and had Frog do this, we don't
need any other water fauna poluting our network

You're aware that it is Eelbash that you are replying to right?

So please make an exception for floods in this newsgroup and block them. I do

not care about other newsgroups because Freedom of Speech is needed but in this
newsgroup it reflects very very badly on remailers so please block the floods.

Which is just foolish and _extremely_ hypocritical

Please block the floods.

Please block your keyboard and get a life

Thomas

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Subject: Re: PGP 8.1 for Windows & Mac

In <436605d9$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, nospam@hccnet.nl wrote:

=====BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE=====
Signature: 0x225CA009 Thomas J. Boschloo <boschloo@multiweb.nl>
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:52:38 2005
Status: OK  (Invalid)

Thrasher Remailer wrote:

In <141487877198371.PGP@version.81>, PGP@version.81 wrote:

    My Dears,
             The people are grumbling, murmuring, complaining,
protesting, even snarling, barking and so forth:
http://65.24.76.65/sounds/FX/bark1.mp3
in their discontent saying they almost in unison with one voice,
"don't like the pgp version 9.x"

Of course. 7.x and higher is bloatware (among many other issues)

It is not that bad I think. And PGP 9.0.2 is supposedly very easy to use
(once you pay to use the local mail proxy).

             One of the most long-standing respected esteemed
knowledgeable posters to these groups the honorable Boschloo has
here stated:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/5d250863b0e5bec6
"if you are going to use PGP you would be best of using version
8.1"

Mr Boschloo is incorrect.

Untill we see a newer version of spgp.dll, pgp 6.5.8ckt09b3 is the highest
version welcome.  It would be best if spgp.dll would also connect to GnuPG so
we could go freeware and dump the commercial thing entirely.

Spoken like a true JBNx user :-)

damn right i am!  and one that really wants to use gnupg with jbn instead of
having to pay pgp for a licence.

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Subject: Re: Pingers/Remops: Lunatic Eelbash at it again

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:

BTW, twisty was concerned with altering the content of mail, not the issue
of permitting floods.

No kidding? I could have sworn he blocked me because I announced I had put
in filters to block floods - nothing about altering the content of mail

Maybe twisty misunderstood what he read. Or did I phrase it confusingly?

Well, here it is again:

Agressive flood filters are in place. If you send too many messages
in too rapid succession to the same email address or newsgroup, some
of them may not make it. Sorry about that, but, the psychos have
been busy and I am sure you will understand the need to keep them
from disrupting newsgroups or preying on individuals


I don't see anything there that talks about altering the content of email,
but that's the notice that twisty reacted to.

I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
today. Here is what my friend wrote:

"The twisty re-mailer operates as a common carrier. It is a fully legal
service operating under a business class static IP. The ToS for the ISP
permit business class clients to operate their own mail systems as well as
domain hosting.

By operating a re-mailer, I am legally bound to operate as a common
carrier. To maintain my status as a common carrier and avoid potential
legal problems, under the direct advice of my corporate legal counsel, I
cannot nor will not tamper with any messages sent through this re-mailer.

However, I am permitted to block incoming or outgoing IPs or addresses to
prevent abuse or flooding, or other re-mailers that may be complicit in
violating the common carrier laws.

Since this re-mailer operates within the USA, it is subject to the
applicable laws for a common carrier.

To avoid potential conflict with these laws, I have no choice but to
source and destination block the Eelbash re-mailer as it may at any time
decide to be in violation of the common carrier laws.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but avoiding a possible legal violation
takes precedence."

As you can plainly see, it was not a concern about flooding or flood
filters. He was concerned about altering of message content. For example
when you started the "civil remailer", you violated your common carrier
status under the US laws.

By adding disclaimers to messages sent to some, but not all newsgroups, you
may find yourself in a position that conflicts with the US laws. In effect,
you are changing the message content by acting as a censor to some groups
but not applying it equally to all. That is his dilemma. As I mentioned
before, he is a close friend. We talked about this last night. On the
advice of others and his counsel, he will not write anything more about it.

I am exempted. I do not operate a remailer and have no intention of doing
so.

My suggestions are simple, if you alter message content, you can be in
trouble. If you add lines to some messages, but not all, you are acting as
a censor and can be in violation of certain aspects of the law. If you add
a universal disclaimer to the message body that is added to all messages,
you are OK. Blocking floods is OK. Blocking harrassment mail is OK.

The biggest problem is selectively adding additional comments. That in
effect makes you a censor. Take that into consideration please for your own
well being.

Howard M.