THIS UNWANTED GARBAGE ORIGINATED FROM AND BROUGHT TO YOU COURTESY OF:

PATRICK PARIS -- SUCKED ONE SUCKED 'EM ALL
PATRICK PARIS -- FAILED REMAILER OPERATOR
PATRICK PARIS -- MAKE YOUR PANTIES PUBLIC
PATRICK PARIS -- FAILED CRACKER




On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:

BTW, twisty was concerned with altering the content of mail, not the issue
of permitting floods.

No kidding? I could have sworn he blocked me because I announced I had put
in filters to block floods - nothing about altering the content of mail

Maybe twisty misunderstood what he read. Or did I phrase it confusingly?

Well, here it is again:

Agressive flood filters are in place. If you send too many messages
in too rapid succession to the same email address or newsgroup, some
of them may not make it. Sorry about that, but, the psychos have
been busy and I am sure you will understand the need to keep them
from disrupting newsgroups or preying on individuals


I don't see anything there that talks about altering the content of email,
but that's the notice that twisty reacted to.

I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
today. Here is what my friend wrote:

"The twisty re-mailer operates as a common carrier. It is a fully legal
service operating under a business class static IP. The ToS for the ISP
permit business class clients to operate their own mail systems as well as
domain hosting.

By operating a re-mailer, I am legally bound to operate as a common
carrier. To maintain my status as a common carrier and avoid potential
legal problems, under the direct advice of my corporate legal counsel, I
cannot nor will not tamper with any messages sent through this re-mailer.

However, I am permitted to block incoming or outgoing IPs or addresses to
prevent abuse or flooding, or other re-mailers that may be complicit in
violating the common carrier laws.

Since this re-mailer operates within the USA, it is subject to the
applicable laws for a common carrier.

To avoid potential conflict with these laws, I have no choice but to
source and destination block the Eelbash re-mailer as it may at any time
decide to be in violation of the common carrier laws.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but avoiding a possible legal violation
takes precedence."

As you can plainly see, it was not a concern about flooding or flood
filters. He was concerned about altering of message content. For example
when you started the "civil remailer", you violated your common carrier
status under the US laws.

By adding disclaimers to messages sent to some, but not all newsgroups, you
may find yourself in a position that conflicts with the US laws. In effect,
you are changing the message content by acting as a censor to some groups
but not applying it equally to all. That is his dilemma. As I mentioned
before, he is a close friend. We talked about this last night. On the
advice of others and his counsel, he will not write anything more about it.

I am exempted. I do not operate a remailer and have no intention of doing
so.

My suggestions are simple, if you alter message content, you can be in
trouble. If you add lines to some messages, but not all, you are acting as
a censor and can be in violation of certain aspects of the law. If you add
a universal disclaimer to the message body that is added to all messages,
you are OK. Blocking floods is OK. Blocking harrassment mail is OK.

The biggest problem is selectively adding additional comments. That in
effect makes you a censor. Take that into consideration please for your own
well being.

Howard M.

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Subject: Re: What Did He Do?

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:42:27 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga

I dont think it was Frogs word for whatever it was that SB did. I
seem to recall several people on the group agreeing that SB had done
something not quite kosher.

I seem to recall that he anonymously said some pretty nasty things about
Frog-Admin and got found out.  Then again, I said some nasty things
about Frog-Admin and so did plenty of other people.

BFD.  Lots of people have said nasty things about Frog anonymously, including
me right now.  Frog is a waste of flesh who the network is better off without.

Champerty was a good guy with pasionate views on anonymity.  He also had
a short fuse.

I don't blame him when he was dealing with the second worst remop ever.
I'd rather have Champerty than a dozen psychotic Frogs.

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Subject: Re: remailers areklunky and something likePublius

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